October 17, 2003
Gotta Link That
The post ends with
In the words of John Galt, (no, not those words) "Get the hell out of my way."
My cat speaks.
But, no, seriously, if you haven't already, check out
Trey Givens. The man cracks me up (and writes well...one IS the prerequisite of the other, of course).
The
above-mentioned post smacks Wired magazine right out of his subscription list. Buh-bye.
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The first link are broke.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 18, 2003 05:03 AM (jtW2s)
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Wired sucks these days - in retrospect, it always has. But Trey's rant about open source software is remarkably ill-informed.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 18, 2003 05:20 AM (jtW2s)
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WOO! Thanks for the hook up!
As for your commentor, I repsonded to that position on my own website but I would summarize with just this: I didn't write about open source software. I wrote about the viability of open source software to business and the relationship of the open source community to the antitrust suit against Microsoft.
Say, Heather, can we also add as one of our prereqs the ability to read carefully?
Posted by: Trey Givens at October 18, 2003 03:00 PM (/Wtqp)
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I suspect if you add "the viability of" between "about" and "open source software" to Pixy's comment, you affect neither the meaning nor validity. Ad hominem attacks on her ability to read carefully are not warranted.
Posted by: hans at October 18, 2003 06:15 PM (SSLGd)
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I was ad hominuminuming YOU, Hansy! ;o)
How come I can't add comments to your site?
Posted by: Trey Givens at October 20, 2003 03:24 PM (yaMs/)
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Because I'm using a lousy client-side blogging tool, until I get around to installing a real one.
Posted by: hans at October 21, 2003 03:24 PM (CWwGn)
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Bathing?
When I picked up
this tidbit from the headline, I didn't get what I expected.
The World Health Organization (WHO) unveiled plans on Thursday to cut the number of deaths from bathing accidents every year — nearly half a million in total — and those caused by infection from polluted waters.
Bathing accidents. You know, when the soap becomes lodged under your arm, and you must be immediately rushed to the ER.
But this is MSNBC. That's all I get unless I take the bait an scroll down. Which I do.
OFFICIALS OF the United Nations agency said poorer countries would be able to boost their tourist trade by adopting the preventative measures laid out in its new 220-page guidelines for governments and local authorities.
“Deaths from accidents and drowning, and often long-term illness resulting from pollution in rivers and coastal waters, are a big challenge to public health administration on all continents,” WHO water and sanitation expert Jamie Bartram said.
Ah, that kind of bathing. So these tips are not so helpful to parents who are too stupid to properly bathe their children. Pity, that'd have made for a better topic.
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October 16, 2003
Gold Enclave of Privileged Capitalists
I'm not sure I can properly categorize this post, so I went for the generic.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I am pleased to present to you the Gold Enclave of Privileged Capitalists.
Why, ask you? Well, it's sort of a long short story that I'll make even shorter with a few lovely links. The Nickel and Dimed threads on this post are the result of the
Nickel and Dimed thread on another blog, where I commented that I thought the assertions made by said blogger were erroneous. This prompted some general dis-ease and, well, name calling by another visitor of the other blog.
It deteriorated from there.
In my post
My First Endorsement, I quoted the "other visitor of the other blog," hereafter to be known as "the troll."
It is from these words that reader
Harvey decided that I am "a shining example of the Great American Success Story." Amen.
As are we all.
As we sit here today privileged reading and writing blogs from computers (as
TheYeti pointed out), most of us from within the United States of America, surely we must realize that we are, indeed, blessed. Most, if not all of us, have functional, working bodies and minds, temperate homes, and access to nutritional food. I recognize and embrace this. We are Americans - lucky citizens of democracy and capitalism, proud purveyors for our families, and generally good people (at least the bloggers who read me).
No troll with its unfounded personal screeches of "oppression" and "racism" can change this.
And so, in dual purpose of recognizing our great individual wealth (spiritual, mental, and material), I present to you again the Gold Enclave of Privileged Capitalists.
Why Gold? The troll's name is JadeGold.
Why Enclave? Because I like the word. Don't confuse it with
Autoclave.
I think I've covered Privileged. But if you want more trolly discussion of the word in a negative connotation, feel free to visit any of the trolled blogs.
And Capitalists? Well, I'm guessing most of us are conservatives - economic conservatives. I certainly am. Cha-ching.
I am putting "founding" people in the enclave if I find they have been harrassed by said troll...so I'm going hunting. I'm happy to take joiners, too.
E-mail me. I'll have a list of links with the Enclave logo in the left-hand side of my blog. (You can also e-mail me if I have you in here and you think I'm off my rocker and you want to be removed.)
Without further commentary, here are the founding members:
$ - Uh, me (even though it wasn't my blog - that isn't a qualification).
$ -
Mister Green, for
this post.
$ -
Susie of Practical Penumbra (in the Nickel and Dimed original thread)
$ -
Ted of Rocket Jones (also in that thread)
$ -
TheYeti of Tales From A Yeti Suit for
this post
$ -
Dean Esmay for being scored in the comments of TheYeti's above-mentioned post.
$ -
Steven Taylor of Poliblog for
this post.
$ -
Robert Prather of Insults Unpunished for
this post
$ -
North Georgia Dogma for
this post.
$ -
John Cole for
this post
$ -
Matthew Yglesias for
this post.
$ -
Outside the Beltway for
this post.
$ -
Just One Minute for
this post.
I'm not done yet, but I am out of time at lunch, so I'll have to recommence at a later time. If I've missed you, let me know.
Extra special thanks and mention to Jennifer Larson of
Jennifer's History and Stuff for the graphic.
And have a good day.
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If I'm not on the list already, then:
Me!Me!Me! Ooo! Ooo! Pick me!
I'm super-qualified. I've read Atlas Shrugged twice and I even have a gold-colored dollar sign money clip.
And feel free to send JadeMold over. I need a troll. I still haven't gotten one, yet, and I'm starting to feel left out.
Posted by: Harvey at October 16, 2003 01:10 PM (tJfh1)
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Can I put that graphic on my blog????? Pretty please? With a link to your post even?
Posted by: Susie at October 16, 2003 01:17 PM (0+cMc)
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John Cole and Matthew Yglesias.
Yeah, there's two peas in a pod. I think inclusion of those two definitely characterizes her as a troll.
Ha! That's like linking Atrios with John Hawkins!
Posted by: TheYeti at October 16, 2003 01:51 PM (+yDzP)
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I feel oppressed by my exclusion.
Posted by: hans at October 16, 2003 02:02 PM (CWwGn)
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Does
this qualify me? 'Cause although I'm not a hardcore libertarian, I certainly agree that we live in a very privileged country, and I damn sure wanna keep my privileges.
Posted by: Courtney at October 16, 2003 02:11 PM (u6jpO)
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She fits the perfect definition of a troll, and it's obvious she thrives off the attention and brings nothing to the table. If you would like to ban her, she posts from two IP's.
141.156.134.64 and 198.77.68.4
Posted by: TheYeti at October 16, 2003 02:13 PM (+yDzP)
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Oooooh, goodie! I walk by a car dealership on my way home from the train station. Maybe I can parlay my status as a Privileged Capitalist into a free new 'Vette!
Posted by: Mr. Green at October 16, 2003 02:18 PM (eKUsD)
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I feel so guilty. Oh wait, that was a strawman, wasn't it? Or isn't feeling guilty one of our inalienable rights? Or something... mmmm... pizza...
Posted by: Ted (the easily distracted) at October 16, 2003 02:24 PM (bov8n)
Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 16, 2003 03:50 PM (jtW2s)
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138.88.179.193
Another IP address. It seems she hasn't quite got the message. I'm just going to start changing her comments to praise of me.
Posted by: TheYeti at October 16, 2003 05:09 PM (+yDzP)
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I have a copy of Atlas Shrugged...
I've read the Illuminatus! trilogy and the Public Works trilogy (Sewer, Gas & Electric).
Posted by: Pixy Misa at October 16, 2003 11:19 PM (LBXBY)
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Hmm, two of those are from Verizon.net, and the third from the aptly-named orc.com. Heh.
You might report the Verizon IP's to abuse@verizon.net. They may be in violation of their AUP-actually, they're probably not. But if enough people report the same IP, Verizon will have to take notice.
Posted by: Victor at October 17, 2003 07:19 AM (L3qPK)
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Oooh, even better. orc.com is Operational Research Consultants, which probably means she's posting from work--almost certainly a violation of company policy.
I'm not suggesting anything, because I post from work sometimes, but still.
Posted by: Victor at October 17, 2003 07:22 AM (L3qPK)
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Does membership in the Gold Enclave offer reduced course fees at the golf course of my choice? God Bless America!
Posted by: Texas T-Bone at October 17, 2003 09:02 AM (ACINt)
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Nope - just gives you a nice pretty link on my site, occasional visitation, and the recognition that, if you've been trolled, you're probably more sane and solid than even YOU thought you were.
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Well, well--how interestin'! I just got a visitor from orc.com (and a more appropriate origin would be impossible to find!) It stayed 18 and a half minutes and viewed 8 pages. Didn't leave any droppings, yet, though....
According to the comment thread on Mr. Green's blog it has a wife, so I guess that means it's either male or a lesbian ("not that there's anything wrong with that")....
Posted by: Susie at October 17, 2003 02:02 PM (0+cMc)
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I dislike trolling as much as the next guy, but isn't reporting them to their ISP/employer a bit radical?
Besides that,
trolls feed on this sort of attention. I doubt much amuses J. Gold more than watching his IP addresses get traded around and knowing folks are watching logs to see if he's even
read their sites.
Do not feed.
Posted by: hans at October 17, 2003 03:14 PM (CWwGn)
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Hans, I sometimes post comments on blogs from work. I hope you don't care...I see you do the same
I agree. Do not feed. Let it insult you. Its only attack is ad hominem. I've seen no facts. It gets its thrills on angering you and awaiting your response because it believe you WILL respond.
hln
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I dislike trolling as much as the next guy, but isn't reporting them to their ISP/employer a bit radical?
Maybe, but it's a weapon at your disposal. You can read about a troll infestation at one of my rat forums
right here and chuckle at the reactions of the trolls when they realized we had their IP's.
Posted by: Victor at October 17, 2003 09:28 PM (FNHVL)
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JadeGold is indeed a troll of the highest order.
I tried (lord, did I try) to be civil, but he/she ended up getting banned in about a week's time.
I still wouldn't be surprised if he/she wasn't an alias for Mac Diva.
Posted by: Ricky at October 27, 2003 10:23 AM (MHgCx)
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Interview
Jennifer Larson of
Jennifer's History and Stuff is
interviewing me. She needs questions! She needs 'em quick, as the cut-off is midnight CST...today!
I will, of course, link to this when it's available to be read.
Jennifer's e-mail is
jenlars@hotmail.com.
She's interviewing others as well, so please be sure to tell her that the question is geared toward me. All questions will be anonymous in origin.
(If you don't send her questions, then I'll be forced to answer such inane standbys as "what are the names of your neighbors' 10 gerbils?)
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If you don't send her questions, then I'll be forced to answer such inane standbys as "what are the names of your neighbors' 10 gerbils?
You know, I'm kinda curious about that one, myself.
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Pizza Hut Might Finally Give Me the Proper Amount of Cheese
So, you know, I'm fairly normal. I like pizza. But everytime I order it, I have to explain to the people working exactly how I want it, and their computers probably can't adequately display to the pizza makers what that is.
Until now.
The company, a unit of Yum Brands Inc., launched a new Fit 'N Delicious pizza that contains half the cheese of a regular pizza served on the brand's thin crust. The pizzas will also use lean meats for toppings.
"Consumers today are paying a lot more attention to what they're eating," Peter Hearl, Pizza Hut's president, told Reuters.
A slice of the new pizza has 3.5 to 5 grams of fat, depending on the toppings. That's about 25 percent less than the usual thin-crusted slice, the company said in a statement.
So, now I need about HALF of the cheese on the half-cheese pizza, and don't give me that thin crust, give me the pan. Should be an even trade in what's bad for you, and it'll taste tremendous.
I should save this for future ordering.
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Less ingredients?
That'll cost you extra.
Posted by: Brian J. at October 16, 2003 05:52 AM (g+waq)
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It seems your husband is as cynical as I am.
There's a place near us that gives us half cheese, no problem. Of course, we also make boboli pizza's, with spinach and fresh tomatos, and even less cheese. It's fast, easy, and has a heck of a lot less fat than anything you'd get from a carry-out pizza place.
Posted by: Victor at October 16, 2003 06:46 AM (L3qPK)
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While I was schlepping pizzas for pocket money in college for Pizza Pit, they tried rolling out a low-cal line of pizzas. Since they were also low-flavor, it never caught on, and we threw away a lot of left-over "lite" toppings. Costs from food wastage soared, and the line was soon discontinued.
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October 15, 2003
Gates the Benefactor
Bill Gates has set aside $25 million dollars to fund nutrition infusions into food.
WASHINGTON - A collaborative effort to get more nutritious food to the world's poor received a $25 million boost from a foundation set up by Microsoft Corp. Chairman Bill Gates.
HarvestPlus, an alliance of research institutions and agencies, will use the money for a four-year project on biofortification, which crossbreeds crops with high nutritional value and those that are high-yielding and disease resistant, the organization's director, Howarth Bouis, said Tuesday.
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation said the goal of the initiative is to provide people in poor and developing countries with food already fortified with vitamins and mineral nutrients.
Worldwide, "half the instances of death among children have malnutrition as important contributory causes," said Dr. David Fleming, director of the foundation's global health program.
HarvestPlus offers a strategic approach that would address the problem of malnutrition, he said.
The programs hopes to get improved varieties of crops to the world's farmers within a decade, Bouis said.
The organization also will conduct research into more controversial genetically modified crops.
"We're very convinced that this is where the breakthroughs will come in the future, but ... societies, themselves, have to decide whether they're going to be comfortable with genetically modified foods or not," said Joachim Voss, director general of the International Center for Tropical Agriculture.
That's the whole article. And the controversy? Just wait. Introduce the words bacteria, genetic engineering, science, and plants into any one paragraph, and invariably out of same paragraph will manifest a conclusion : Frankenfood.
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What does that evil, evil rich man think he's doing, trying to help people? Doesn't he know that's the government's job????? See what happens when you give the rich tax cuts!!!!!
Sorry. I read the words "Indy Media" over at Ted's. I need to go read John Hawkins now before the damage is permanent.
Posted by: Susie at October 15, 2003 01:31 PM (0+cMc)
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The EU and Africa (since it exports to the EU) are not accepting the technology and seed to make Vitamin A-enriched rice--beta carotene-enhanced "golden rice"--that helps prevents blindness and malnutrition because it's "genetically modified".
As if selective breeding by man over millenia isn't "genetic modification".
Numbers go from 500,000 children going blind every year from Vitamin A deficiency, and 2 billion people with Vitamin A deficiency.
And they won't even give golden rice a chance, won't even give people a chance to learn about it without hysterical overload.
Aarrgh.
Posted by: S at October 15, 2003 02:27 PM (VQdrq)
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Yep, it's the B word. "What, you're taking genes from BACTERIA?"
Doomed until minds open, sadly.
hln
Posted by: hln at October 15, 2003 03:42 PM (CWwGn)
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ME LOVE FRANKEN FOOD!
There are lots of things I need more of and scientifically engineered food is one of them.
With my own rebel cry "I want more More MORE!"
Posted by: Trey Givens at October 15, 2003 06:27 PM (vdDut)
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I am avoiding the Frankenfood until I get the glowing okra that will make me a superhero.
Posted by: Brian J. at October 15, 2003 08:36 PM (g+waq)
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While I, like S, can see what the real issues are (undernourished kids), I read a newspaper or magazine article, that argued the amount of beta-carotene in the 'golden rice' was less then the optimum amount. It made me wonder if it was worth it. My personal dilemma is some beta-carotene vs no beta-carotene, but I'm not enough of a nutritionist (or doctor) to answer that question.
I do agree the Greens/EU/ELF movements are short-sighted beyond all belief, tho.
(I'll try to find the article, or another reference, if I can even remember if my source was print or otherwise.Feel free to take my little paragraph with a grain of non-engineered salt
)
Posted by: Victor at October 18, 2003 06:26 AM (FNHVL)
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Cancer and Exercise
According
this article, 9.5 millions of Americans are living their lives post cancer.
I'm one of 'em, so I look around for information like this. The article, brought to me by Yahoo via the AP, mentions that cancer survivors recover better with an exercise program.
Okay, so maybe that's not relevant per se - I'm nearly 12 years past, but it is nice to see my lifestyle validated in terms that directly apply. Here's some text from the article.
Nearly two-thirds of cancer patients live more than five years after diagnosis. And starting during treatment, they face choices about food, dietary supplements and physical activity that can affect quality of life, sometimes even survival.
Yet it's difficult to find consumer-friendly information that separates the fads and frauds from scientifically backed choices. Hence the cancer society's new guidelines, published in CA: A Cancer Journal for Clinicians.
Topping the advice: there's no magic lifestyle choice that will keep cancer from returning. Beware fads like Gerson therapy, with its emphasis on vegetable juices and coffee enemas. Talk with your doctor about even the seemingly innocuous — high doses of vitamins, for instance, may actually block certain cancer treatments from working.
In fact, the No. 1 protection against another bout of cancer is to avoid being overweight, Doyle says.
Bingo.
And, for more information on the topic of exercise and cancer, well, there's always Lance Armstrong, who is in town today for the
Tour of Hope.
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Remarkable how much cancer risk one can avert simply by living right, isn't it?
I recall somewhere reading that the two most potent known carcinogens are oxygen and sunlight. As I have no plans to live in a dungeon and hold my breath, I see no way to make use of that fact. But moderation in eating and in the drinking of alcohol, coupled with some mild exercise, will do more to extend your life than anything else you can do for yourself.
Oh, don't smoke, either.
Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at October 15, 2003 08:50 AM (MzH7h)
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Sonnet 2
A strange thing has occurred within Google; for some reason it has ranked a sonnet I wrote for Brian as it's #1 hit for
Sonnet 2
I slapped the 2 on it when I posted it on the
old site because it, well, it had no title. Now it has many, many viewers, which I guess isn't a bad thing.
It's ranked above Shakespeare's, which is third. Some other sonnet (or so it SAYS it's a sonnet. I can't find the meter) is below mine.
Very strange.
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October 14, 2003
John Galt Update
Galt is recovering. He is happy to be home, and he should be healthy. The tumor removal was a success.
Ain't he dapper? The deal was pretty expensive, too - about $418.00.
And, yes, I realize I could have fed dinner to 418 homeless crack addicts for that hefty sum. I CHOSE NOT TO.
My regular good humor should return soon.
Good night, all.
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My First Endorsement
Yay! I am LOVED! Loved, I say! LOVED!
Exalted! Read these words!
Once again, Heather goes into attack mode (a common trait among high school-level objectivists). Her indignation is that we don't hold her aloft as a shining example of the Great American Success Story to those she believes remain mired in subsistence-level jobs because they don't possess Heather's strength of character, will, moxie, spunk, etc.
The facts remain, however, that Heather's very brief foray into the entry-level world was not without a safety net. And, in fact, she worked with multiple safety nets and was unencumbered by burdens and/or responsibilities.
As Ehrenreich's book vividly illustrates, many people simply don't have the advantages and safety nets Heather had. For these people, an illness, car problems, a sick child, a job loss are not mere inconveniences--they are often cataclysmic events all too often resulting in homelessness.
Of course, underlying Heather's disinclination to look at the facts is her unwillingness to realize her current lifestyle is largely subsidized on the backs of these people she scorns. Like all High School Ayn Rand-wannabes, she regards her lifestyle as an entitlement; there's a fair amount of insecurity involved as well.
Brought to you by the Venerated Jade Gold in comments for the
previously mentioned Barbara Ehrenreich thread on Andrew Hoog's blog.
Isn't it amazing when others know you ever so much better than you know yourself? They're able to grasp your every thought, circumstance, history, word, idea, and possible consequence!
Perhaps this person is a psychic! I've been waiting for an endorsement fit enough to describe this blog. Which paragraph should I use?
(Oh, and, as my mama always told me, "Never take to heart the opinions of those whom you do not respect.")
Kate, we have our snark.
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Ah, Jade Gold, professional troll and MacDiva impersonator. Consider yourself blessed to be attacked by such a font of wisdom.
Posted by: Matthew at October 14, 2003 07:56 PM (FNCuf)
Posted by: hans at October 14, 2003 09:13 PM (SSLGd)
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You've been trolled! I'm so jealous.
Posted by: physics geek at October 15, 2003 08:43 AM (Xvrs7)
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She's just garden variety. Perhaps you should check out her ego-stroking.
"Possessing a rare combination of wisdom and humility, while serenely dominating your environment you selflessly use your powers to care for others."
She doesn't advance arguments or even talk about what she thinks. She just points out how evil and degraded everyone else is.
No comments and no original posts. Yeah - she's a real winner.
Posted by: TheYeti at October 15, 2003 11:32 AM (+yDzP)
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First, ditto physics geek.
Second, I think this would make a *marvelous* pull-quote:
"a shining example of the Great American Success Story"
Posted by: Harvey at October 15, 2003 11:47 AM (tJfh1)
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On a serious note, I have found that an accurate judge of the strength of a person's argument can be made based upon how much of it can be taken literally. This is because if someone is making a serious, intellectual attack, it will be stated concisely and precisely with terms that are easily understood.
Tell me, at any point in your life, have you been followed about by a team of circus folk with nets, pillows, and other safety accoutrements? And tell me, have you ever found yourself without obligation to actually lift a finger to your own benefit?
I dare say that this is not the case... yet, Jade appears to know better than you.
I wish Jade would troll me. What are they called? Strawmen?
Color me jealous. Good job!
Posted by: Trey Givens at October 15, 2003 06:39 PM (vdDut)
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Put yourself in JadeGold's shoes. Its own existence poses a contradiction.
Jade, a precious stone.
Gold, a precious metal.
How do you reconcile your two disparate precious natures into a single individual?
It's not as easy for others as it seems to be for you, my dear.
Posted by: Brian J. at October 15, 2003 08:42 PM (g+waq)
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Visit Harvey of Bad Money
Why is today the day to visit
Bad Money? Any day's a good day, really. Harvey posts a lot, usually five or six good-sized snippets a day - often more - to keep one interested.
And then there's the currency graffiti. He also links to
Blackfive a lot - always a good idea, exalts his wife on a daily basis (ALWAYS a REALLY good idea), and has recently been blogrolled by the Great Emperor
Misha, who has not yet noticed MY grace, wit, and not-so-surreptitious stops and comments.
But this post is about Harvey! It's about to get quite cold in Wisconsin; perhaps that'll mean he'll post even more!
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People from Wisconsin are cool. Literally and figuratively. :-)
Posted by: Jennifer at October 14, 2003 07:39 AM (rZmE1)
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Thanks, Jenn. I'll tell my husband you said so.
hln
Posted by: hln at October 14, 2003 08:29 AM (CWwGn)
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Harvey exalts my wife on a daily basis?!!...why that sonofabitch!
Posted by: Blackfive at October 14, 2003 01:05 PM (eKUsD)
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Harvey exalts my wife on a daily basis?!!...why that sonofabitch!
Posted by: Blackfive at October 14, 2003 01:06 PM (eKUsD)
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LAUGH, Matt. Beating me at my own game.
hln
Posted by: hln at October 14, 2003 01:08 PM (CWwGn)
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*sppppfffftt*
Dammit Matt! Don't *do* that!
You owe me a fresh cup of coffee & a new keyboard.
Heather - for getting the Emperor's attention, try either buying pizzas for the IDF or posting some boobie pictures.
Either way, just post the boobie pictures.
Posted by: Harvey at October 15, 2003 12:00 PM (tJfh1)
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Boobie pics of me won't get quite the attention you'd suspect. Does he like legs? I can post leg pics all day long. I'll take note of that IDF thing.
hln
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Personally, I've never met a boobie picture I didn't like. But that's just me.
I'm not sure if Misha's a leg man. Can't hurt to ask :-)
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October 13, 2003
Nickels (Dimes in about a week).
As you all know if you've been visiting this site, I've tasked myself with reading and critiquing Barbara
Ehrenreich's
Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America.
This will be a long post. I plan to offer the book's premise, talk a little bit about how Barbara defines science,
illustrate what I find to be unrealistic, offer places where I identify with the author, and then conclude the analysis
of what I've read. I'm 119 pages into the book, which is a natural stopping point because of the book's structure.
The Premise
The author tasks herself with working low-wage jobs and then writing about how she fares. She works (so far) as a
waitress, a housekeeper, a maid, and a kitchen worker in a nursing home. (There are other jobs, but I've not read that far)
and then chronicles her experience for you, for me, and for anyone else who is interested.
Science
Barbara, as I will refer to her from here on out, calls this a science experiment. Unfortunately, there's nothing
scientific about it, as the setting is not real. In the illustration section, I'll point to snippets from the book
that seem like vagaries to me, since I'm someone who's had to subsist on a pretty small budget for a lengthy period
of time. But, I'll jump right in, in the interest of keeping the post short (HA!)
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Nice deconstruction, Heather. I suspect that book would annoy more than amuse me. (Although I
did laugh out loud at her characterization of the Hampton Inn--yikes! what would she have to say about Motel 6?)
Posted by: Susie at October 14, 2003 12:57 AM (0+cMc)
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Susie, she actually stayed at a Motel 6 for about a week. She described the two as the different spectrums of "low-rent" motels - the Hampton being the nicer. The Motel 6 was $59 a night. Yeouch, eh?
hln
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There's no shame in honest work. Learned it from my folks, passed it on to my kids.
Posted by: Ted at October 14, 2003 08:03 AM (bov8n)
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Bravo. I have to say you've provided a thorough enough deconstruction that I know not to even bother reading this book. Besides, I've earned minimum wage and less, so I don't need to read a book to learn the scandalous truth that there are
classes in this country.
I'm interested in the final analysis, though. What is her ultimate point?
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Probably, her ultimate point would be that you can't truly live on a minimum-wage job, and that "something should be done" but I'll bet she doesn't try to define what that "something" should be.
And, I'm betting on at least one inference of "they don't have to be poor. They could choose to be different," or something equally asinine.
I grew up quite comfortably, for a member of the lower working class, but I never, ever, in my 29 years, thought of the Hampton Inn as low class. I know my fiance didn't, either, and he grew up in better circumstances than I.
Posted by: Jennifer at October 15, 2003 06:09 AM (kjOoJ)
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okay whoever you are hln, I have got something to say. Barbara wrote this book well, she may make some false or asinine points; however, she made big money writing this book and millions of people have read it. So I don't think you have any business in criticizing her for doing so...
much love to my true thugs...
b dot g
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Nickel and Dimed...a Prelude
I've now read 106 pages of the book
Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America. I have another 10 or so to go before I've completed the third section - the second section that's actually about Barbara's work experiences.
Expect a long, long, long post tonight. I probably won't finish it until after the gym, though, so it may not be up until 9:30 p.m. CST or thereabouts.
Oh, and I commented on
Andrew's blog about this again. Please, everyone, be the courteous and wonderful people I know you to be (and thanks for the support). Andrew is my former boss, and I believe some of this is tongue in cheek - for purposes of discussion. Anne is his wife and has done some wonderful things with educating children in other countries.
I agree that there is injustice in this world and that, as one of you said, "life isn't fair." I also believe in charitable work and charity organizations and the wonderful things they do. I just don't believe they should be run by the government and mandated thus (yours an my tax dollars).
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Actually, Heather, it's that JadeGold your "supporters" are annoyed by...
Posted by: Susie at October 13, 2003 01:40 PM (0+cMc)
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I was polite and instructive on his blog. Not on mine.
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You're never polite and instructive on your own, Yeti ;-)
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Click on the link to Andrew's blog, Jen. The Munuvians came in droves supporting me. My post will be up within the hour (I hope), and then it won't be so confoozling.
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Frank J's "In My World"
These are hits or misses with me.
This one's a hit.
The screen then showed O'Yama, eyes glowing red with evil, giving a speech before a crowd of reporters. "When I am president, the oceans will boil, the cities will be destroyed in fire, and there will be universal health care!"
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October 12, 2003
Six Months!
10/12/2003 is my six-month blogiversary, one week after
Brian began.
And, a couple of weeks ago, I moved to this "shiny new site," as someone put it. I've spent a bunch of time tonight putting together a list of my early posts that it's likely that no one's seen. Also, visit my
About Me page; I've put my 100 things up (finally).
Thanks for reading!
The list:
- Extremely Disjointed First Post
- Turkey Vanquished
- Softball
- Pineapples for Peace
- Shut Your Seed-Cracking Beak
- "Are McLawsuits Legit?"
- The Search for the Sympathy Card
- Botox! Botulinum Toxin Type A (baby)
- Oh, THAT Appointment
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Happy blogiversary! :-)
Posted by: Jennifer at October 11, 2003 11:34 PM (0SrUW)
Posted by: Susie at October 12, 2003 08:52 AM (0+cMc)
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I wandered to your blog via Misha's and read, among other things, your "100 things" list.
A hockey fan and a trumpet player? I think I'm in love! (I'm both of those things as well...)
Anyway, I enjoyed reading your stuff.
- Perry
www.obnoxiousfumes.com (Political stuff)
www.grabaclue.com/perry (Personal journal)
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And the beat goes on. Congratulations, Heather.
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October 11, 2003
Housekeeping, Blog and Otherwise
Today is a "do" day instead of a "write" day, so I'll be pretty much absent (as I have been already). But, tomorrow should be good.
Tomorrow's my 6th month blogoversary, if that's how you spell it. I plan to finish the 100 things about me I've been working on and put that up on the About Me page. I'll put a post up and link it when it's done. Also, I'm going to pull together some of my best posts from the first month (ones that no one saw because, well, I was under the radar). So, that's the deal.
In the meantime,
Brian posted today about the phrase "Sanity Check." I told him he misused it, but he said the project manager from whose lips those words were spoken used it in that manner. The post is amusing, nonetheless.
If by some odd chance you've not caught John Cole's post yesterday about
The New Definition of Quagmire, please visit. John's Balloon Juice is one of my early discoveries.
Blackfive also links to this (as did a myriad others, so you probably have NOT missed it.
Munuviana's own DFMoore educates us on
selenium
And, finally, the grocery strike (I have a post about it below) means most of the main stores are sparsely stocked, says Brian. What a fabulous excuse to do this week's shopping at Whole Foods. Insert maniacal laughter here. (I like Whole Foods a WHOLE lot.)
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